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 Post subject: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:34 am 
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Wenger the spin doctor? Ramsey latest in long line of misdiagnosed Arsenal stars
By David Kent, 26 March 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -boss.html

Maybe it’s because Arsene Wenger just likes to look on the bright side when it comes to talking about his injured players. Maybe there is a breakdown in communication between the medical staff and their coaching counterparts at Arsenal. Whatever the reason, Wenger has a tendency to underplay it when estimating time on the sidelines. Take Aaron Ramsey, who injured himself on Boxing Day and should have been back within three weeks, according to the Gunners boss. Jack Wilshere, Lukas Podolski, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Mikel Arteta... the list goes on.

Aaron Ramsey
Injured thigh in 3-1 won over West Ham on Boxing Day.
Initial diagnosis: Three weeks.
Time out: Still out.

27th December 2013: ‘It looks like a thigh strain. For me, I don’t know how serious the thigh strain is but the Christmas period is certainly over for him.’
Lay-off: Midfielder Aaron Ramsey has been out since Boxing Day with a thigh injury

31st January: ‘It will be between 4-6 weeks. I count six. Ramsey is out for a long period and it’s a big setback.

13th March 2014. ‘He is having difficulties in the final stages of his rehab. It looks to be short term.’

14th March 2014. ‘Our worry at the moment is Ramsey is taking longer than expected. He had a first set back and now it’s slower. He has recurring pains in his thigh.’
Aaron Ramsey responds to George North with hilarious gym video


Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Injured knee first game of 2013-14 season against Aston Villa
Initial diagnosis: Six weeks.
Time out: Five months.

‘He will be out for at least six weeks, he has a posterior cruciate problem, a ligament which is stretched.’

November 22nd 2013: ‘Oxlade-Chamberlain has not had a setback. He is one month away from competition.’


Mesut Ozil
Injured thigh in Champions League defeat at Bayern Munich, March 2014.
Initial diagnosis: Three weeks.

‘The minimum is three weeks, maximum is six. I’m not specialist enough to know. It’s a grade 2 hamstring so let’s say four weeks.’


Lukas Podolski
Injured hamstring in the Champions League play-off win over Fenerbahce, August 2013
Initial diagnosis: Three weeks.
Time out: Four months

August 28th 2013: ‘Podolski is definitely out for 21 days.’

August 29th 2013 ‘It is bad news about Lukas Podolski as he will be out for eight to ten weeks. His hamstring is much more damaged than we thought at the start.’


Santi Cazorla
Injured ankle playing for Spain, September 2013
Initial diagnosis: Two weeks.
Time out: Six weeks

‘Cazorla has an ankle problem. I don’t think he will play before the next international break and will be out for at least a fortnight.’


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:52 pm 
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I was reading an article a couple of weeks ago about the Boston Red Sox American League baseball team and how they changed their approach to injury recovery. The change was given credit for players recovering more quickly than expected as well as eliminating the typical setbacks that often occur during a recovery. (By the way, the Red Sox went from a disastrous injury filled season where they finished last in their division to winning a ‘World Series’.) The change? On staff specialists. In particular, for the recovery of soft tissue injuries.

Most training staffs are comprised of several generalists. Makes sense that you don’t know if the player is going to injure his back, arm, knee, head, leg, and etcetera. You need someone who is prepared to initially address a wide range of injuries the moment they occur. The player is then sent to a specialist for full diagnosis. The problem occurs when the player returns to the team where generalists are responsible for helping the player recover. The Red Sox instead hired or retained expert staff specific to the particular injury, often with a specialized therapist who worked with and reassessed the player’s recovery on a daily basis. The greatest return was seen in players who had suffered soft tissue injuries. The exact kind of injuries Arsenal seems to have the most of, muscle injuries. Further compounding Arsenal’s problems are the seemingly standard recovery setbacks and long term reoccurrence of the same injuries. Jules’s list from this season illustrates this quite clearly and anyone who is an Arsenal fan can make a similar list for any of the last five years or more.

Is this the solution? I don’t know, it is only one team over one season, but whatever Arsenal is doing it is clearly not working. You have to be willfully ignorant not to recognize a clear pattern of a reoccurring problem. I am not so concerned if Wenger spins an injury report or two, what is truly disturbing is not looking to address to underlying problem. Here is a chance to implement a progressive strategy to change it.

So how do we get someone at Arsenal to listen?


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:20 pm 
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I have maintained that we have a problem with our meds and preparation team, although qualifying that is nigh on impossible. Even in the unluckiest circumstances a squad is not constantly at, or very near, the top of an injury table for three, four, five years and more. As a keen fantasy footballer I keep a close eye on Physioroom.com and I swear we have not moved from the top two most injured squads this entire season.

Now, that could partly be explained by having players who could be determined 'injury prone'. Certainly we have some; Diaby and Rosicky notably, Walcott too. But it does not explain how seemingly trivial or short-term injuries end up taking twice the projected time to heal. This is no coincidence, and it happens time and again with this squad.

There is something desperately amiss with how we are either preparing players physically or diagnosing injuries. The club needs serious introspection into this matter.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:55 pm 
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LG, thanks for the mention of Physioroom.com
I went on there to check out just how bad our injuries were. My god it makes for horrible reading.

Below is the number of injuries we've had since August 1, 2013 (fairly arbirtrary, but what I'd consider the start of the season).

Chelsea - 38
Liverpool - 37
Man City - 51
Arsenal - 88
Everton - 43
Tottenham - 65
Man Utd - 75

Aside from United, we have had over 20 more injuries than any other top side this year.
Also, just about every single player on our squad has been injured at least once.
Exceptions? Carl Jenkinson, Gedion Zelalem and Emiliano Viviano.

Also looking at that list (it's in order of position in the table), then injuries or lack thereof have had a major correlation to league position. Arsenal being fourth worst of the "top 4" in terms of injuries. Everton being a bit of an outsider, but better off than Tottenham and United.

At the end of 2013, when we were top of the league, the injury numbers were as follows:

Chelsea - 27
Liverpool - 30
Man City - 28
Arsenal - 60
Everton - 27
Tottenham - 37
Man Utd - 52

All our rivals were averaging a bit less than 30 injuries sustained for the entire season. We'd doubled that number!

I didn't bother to get more in depth with looking at number of weeks out or anything of the sort, but for sure something really isn't right.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:57 pm 
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Who manages our medical staff in general ? Looks into new hire and all that. Its quite a cutting edge world keeping the most marketable athletes in the world fit. And our injury record over the last 5 years ... has to be the worst in the EPL and of any CL club.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:59 pm 
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Here is what i wrote back in 2011 when Wilshere's one week injury got extended to 2 months.

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Within a little over a year:

Bendtner not serious -> 4 months
Van Persie 10 days to 2 weeks -> 4 months
Vermaelen 1 week -> 7 months
Diaby 1 week -> a season + surgery

That's just the most obvious cases and all from last season. Last season the medical staff had a straight influence on how our season turned out. Cesc declared fit on a few occasions when he clearly wasn't. Not buying a defender in january transfer window because of Vermaelen's 'imminent' return etc etc.

At the moment i'd say the only unclear thing is whether our medical team sucks at treatment options or the diagnoses. If i were a gambling man i'd wager on both.


In the end Wilshere did not feature at all during that season. Even back then the problem was not new and it is healthy the media is starting to notice since this is the issue that has hold us back the most for almost a decade now. Hopefully there will be a turn for the better.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 8:16 am 
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Arsene Wenger calls for medical and training review after Arsenal slump bottom of 2013/14 injury list
Arsenal were without first-team players for a combined 1,716 days during the past season, in contrast to Chelsea who lost just 556 days
By Jeremy Wilson, 27 May 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -list.html

Arsenal had the worst injury record of any Premier League club during the 2013-14 season, with Arsene Wenger having ordered a comprehensive review of the team’s medical and training procedures. Research by the website physioroom.com has shown that Arsenal were without first-team players for a combined 1,716 days during this past season, almost 300 more than Tottenham who had the next worse injury record. By contrast, Chelsea were without key players for just 556 days this season, while champions Manchester City and runners-up Liverpool endured a similar injury toll of respectively 978 and 997 days lost.

Wenger has repeatedly blamed Arsenal’s injury toll for the club’s failure to sustain their Premier League title challenge following the loss for much of the second half of the season of Theo Walcott, Mesut Ozil, Jack Wilshere and Aaron Ramsey.

Although statistics do support Wenger’s theory, the wider issue is how Arsenal have consistently struggled with injuries during recent seasons. Physioroom.com has also conducted research for the 2010-11, 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons and, in each of those years, Arsenal were among the seven worst affected clubs. In 2010-11, they lost 1,478 days to injury, second behind only Tottenham on 1,486. In 2011-12, Arsenal’s tally was 1,343 (the 3rd worse) and in 2012-13, it was the seventh worse on 955 days. Over the four year period, the club who have lost players for the most days to injury is actually Newcastle United on 5,645, followed by Arsenal on 5,492 and Tottenham on 5,330.

Indeed, with club record signing Erik Lamela having not played since December, Totternham’s 2013 summer arrivals contributed to a combined loss of 500 days through injury during this past season. The contrast with Chelsea and Manchester City, who have respectively lost only 2,164 and 2,895 days during the past four seasons, is particularly stark.

Wenger promised a review in March “to see if there is a link between all these injuries”. Asked whether he would review his training and medical procedures, Wenger said "everything" but admitted that, on first inspection, it had been difficult to find an obvious reason.

There are numerous theories, such as the training methods, a style of football that might invite dangerous tackles, an over-reliance on certain players because of the size of the squad, a transfer policy that might favour technically gifted but more fragile players or simply bad luck. The statistics since 2010, however, clearly suggest that Arsenal’s injury record is about more than simply ill fortune.

2013-14
Arsenal 1716
Tottenham Hotspur 1441
Aston Villa 1426
Everton 1367
Newcastle United 1303
West Bromwich Albion 1161
Manchester United 1146
Fulham 1095
West Ham United 1094
Crystal Palace 1061
Hull City 1017
Liverpool 997
Norwich City 978
Manchester City 929
Swansea City 922
Sunderland 735
Southampton 708
Cardiff City 609
Chelsea 556
Stoke City 555

2012-13
Newcastle United 1745
Wigan Athletic 1281
Aston Villa 1225
Queens Park Rangers 1150
Manchester United 1088
Fulham 1077
Arsenal 955
Manchester City 954
Tottenham Hotspur 953
West Ham United 925
West Bromwich Albion 905
Reading 882
Sunderland 865
Liverpool 860
Norwich City 845
Everton 714
Southampton 707
Swansea City 705
Chelsea 565
Stoke City 496

2011-12
Manchester United 1681
Tottenham Hotspur 1450
Arsenal 1343
Newcastle 1258
Fulham 1245
Queens Park Rangers 1105
Bolton 1054
Norwich 968
Sunderland 956
West Bromwich Albion 868
Aston Villa 806
Blackburn Rovers 801
Liverpool 794
Swansea 759
Everton 716
Wolverhampton Wanderers 690
Stoke City 557
Wigan Athletic 474
Chelsea 356
Manchester City 186

2010-11
Tottenham Hotspur 1486
Arsenal 1478
Sunderland 1434
Newcastle United 1339
Fulham 1171
Wolverhampton Wanderers 1117
Manchester United 1068
West Ham 954
Everton 952
Liverpool 935
Birmingham City 879
Blackburn Rovers 872
Bolton Wanderers 867
Aston Villa 864
Manchester City 826
Blackpool 754
Stoke City 696
Chelsea 687
West Bromwich Albion 583
Wigan Athletic 487

I hope our injury problems are really thoroughly investigated. Finding a solution for this is as important as any signing we could make.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 11:01 am 
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Look like we should looking at what Chelsea are doing right in this area. It can't be a fluke that they are doing well on this front


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 11:09 am 
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A member of the medical staff having power to veto a selection, or to set a time limit on amount of time player is allowed to do, if they fear the player isn't fit enough or too exhausted to be played safely might help. A clause in Wenger's contract that if a player is selected when in the red and then gets injured, Wenger pays the players wages instead of the club till player is fully fit also might help.

Haven't we had reviews before? It is a difficult thing for the club to find the root cause I imagine so I have sympathy for Wenger and those carrying out the review, best of luck to them.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 11:15 am 
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Is it me or has this gotten worse since Gary Lewin left the setup? May be coincidental.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 4:43 pm 
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I suspect that the problem is that there is no single cause of all this. And that makes it a lot harder to figure out how to fix it. But, with our chronic injury problem, I'm glad it is being addressed.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
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Arsenal make first summer signing: a new fitness coach
By Wayne Veysey Jun 12, 2014 11:00:00 AM
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Arsenal have taken a major step to reduce their injury problems by appointing a new fitness guru, Goal can reveal. Shad Forsythe, who is head fitness coach for the Germany national team, has reached an agreement to join Arsene Wenger's backroom team after the World Cup.The 40-year-old American will work alongside Tony Colbert, Arsenal's first-team fitness coach for the last 16 years, as Wenger addresses the injury issues which have consistently held back his team at critical times of the season in recent years. Wenger vowed to review the Gunners' training and medical procedures following serious injuries suffered by key players in the second half of the recent domestic campaign, including Aaron Ramsey, Mesut Ozil, Theo Walcott and Jack Wilshere.

According to a study by physioroom.com, Arsenal players were unavailable for more days last season due to injury than at any other Premier League club. Gunners chiefs hope Forsythe's appointment will modernise their injury prevention methods at their London Colney headquarters. Forsythe was recruited by Germany in 2004 by former manager Jurgen Klinsmann and has spent the last 10 years overseeing the national team's fitness preparation. He will link up permanently with the Gunners after the World Cup in Brazil. His appointment is especially noteworthy as Wenger, who recently signed a new three-year contract, very rarely makes changes to his backroom staff.

Yes this is most likely a Wayne Veysey bullshit exclusive but I have read the same thing from other sites that this guy was coming in to work with Tony Colbert.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:36 am 
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Can he play at right back or as a striker?


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
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manuhater wrote:
Can he play at right back or as a striker?


No but if he is the right man for the job, we could play our better players more often then we have in the past.


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal's injury problems
PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:26 pm 
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Apparently this guy has a very high reputation. I would not be surprised if he replaces Tony Colbert rather than works alongside him.


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