But, Magic Hat. You're still only looking at this from one perspective. Fine, Chelsea and Man City couldn't have broken into the elite without RIDICULOUS investment. I mean, really. The amount of money pumped into both of them is just shy of 2 BILLION pounds in the space of about 8 years. that is absolutely mind boggling. We're not talking about throwing in a 50 mil here or there. We're talking about splashing 200m in one year, when you only made 5m profit. Come on, I cannot see how you can figure that to be "alright".
There are better things they could do with the money personally but it is the owners money. If they want a highly successful football club and are willing to pay to break the clique then establish their club, that is up to them. Now if uefa wishes to stop that, or the likes of Wigan and Bolton at a lower level, I'm happy as long
as they truly even things up. Stop it so the likes of Real Madrid don't get so much government help with their debts at one extreme but mostlyL stop the entire system becoming a closed club for certain teams like us.
I'm not even worried about what it has done to our hopes of winning the title. I think we've done enough to scupper our chances, without having to consider the influence they've had. Your posts paint the picture of someone who wants some semblance of parity, as if you're rooting for the "little guy". Your talk about pulling up ladders becomes weaker when we consider how their ridiculous spending have affected the likes of Bolton (loved how Coyle had them playing, but they're relegated), Everton, Villa, etc.? All that's happened is that now these clubs will simply have to hope to get a rich owner as well. A big part of that has been the transfer market clusterfuck that they've caused. It's meant that average players around the league now cost in excess of 10m. Moreover, the wages afforded even further creates a divide. £221,000 a week for Yaya Toure sounds normal? How about Wayne Bridge collecting his £90,000 a week, all the while not even making the reserves? EDIT - Forgot to mention Adebayor and his +/-£180,000, whose salary they are most certainly paying a large portion of, even while on loan to our direct competition, Tottenham.
Well so far, the only way to get into it has been lots of money yourself or great timing becuase a CL club has imploded spectacularly.
We stop Man City type owners. Fine. Then the likes of Everton, Bolton, Villa would still be outside looking in while a select group of 4 remained wealthy and safe from the dirty little Everton's while we swan about alongside the likes of Real Madrid. Uefa ensuring nobody can come in and challenge our place at the top of the table unless we did something silly.
Banishing rich owners won't suddenly open up the league to the likes of Villa or Everton. Rich owners are the only way teams can aim for the top now and it was the only way before the likes of Mr Roman came along. If we truly want to see an even league then uefa has to also stop the system that ensures we have several inbuilt advantages on anybody other-side the top four.
Or you referring to the heavy debts the likes of Bolton, Villa and Everton carry?
Again, it's amazing that we can cope. We still perform respectfully year in, year out. I do want Wenger gone, but he and the men behind the scenes at Arsenal deserve a good bit of credit. If anything, we should be praising what Newcastle have achieved. But, that might be short-lived, because I see reports that Demba Ba might want to go to Chelsea. He'll definitely make a shit-ton of money there and as a bonus, might get to go on one of them parades in an open-top bus and what not.
It isn't amazing that we can cope. We get an inbuilt advantage on the likes of Spurs, Newcastle and Villa. We got the prestige, the facilities, the money that comes from uefa's exclusive club.
Yep, Ba, Tiote and others or Spurs Modric and Bale may be taken by the elite, protected by uefa, clubs. It saddens me as I said earlier.
The money in the league has risen dramatically (even forgetting about UEFA money), with the TV deals that they've signed. From this all the clubs benefit. The net effect gets lessened due to inflation. This inflation has been from external forces (billionaire blank-check owners), and it's made the increase in revenues moot. Even Wayne Rooney was holding his club to ransom to get more money. I remember Frank Lampard and John Terry bitching a fit when Shevchenko was getting £150,000 and they wanted parity. All it has done is further widened the divide you say you want to see removed.
I agree the wages are shocking.
To me, it is still better in that when it offers a club the chance of breaking into the clique then ensuring that nobody can break it. Currently all people seem to want to do is stop the rich owners but not address the other problems in a bid to equalize the league. If we are not going to follow FP with wider reforms then it is pointless and will only Now ideally, we can address both issues with wide reforms. Something like FP but combining that with ways to ensure the CL does not end up destroying the competitiveness of the leagues by ensuring perpetual domination of a select few clubs.
However if we just stop rich owners, wages will come down I imagine. Since the elite four will never be challenged and smaller clubs couldn't splurge on wages, the elite clubs won't have to pay as much anymore.
And, even with all of that, what I find incredibly unbelievable is that City could have walked away completely empty-handed this season, if not for some good fortune mixed in with determination. Three minutes' injury time and the title would be back in Old Trafford, and we'd all be commenting on how much money was wasted. As it was, they did win it, and somehow it's all good?
I wouldn't have been making those comments but I agree, the football world can be remarkably fickle.